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#1 bphlpt

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Posted 15 February 2013 - 05:49 AM

I don't know if anyone else has experienced issues, (nonno fabio implied he has been having problems as well here), but a few times now I have tried to edit posts only to have either half the post disappear, or the formatting go nuts, or some other problem.  Were there some recent "improvements" that we might should roll back?  I have JUST discovered the button to turn on/off BBCode mode, so that might help a little.  In the meantime, I've started composing/editing my posts in an external editor and pasting the completed post back in order to post.  That way I have a backup in place if the board software screws up.  But the board software used to be very reliable.  Hopefully, something can be done to improve things.
 
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Posted 15 February 2013 - 07:07 AM

Hi bphlpt.

 

I would be grateful if you can explain this issue in details, step by step with pictures so I can send a support request.

Does this happen in different browsers?

It could be some kind o bug that came with the latest version of the forum software.

 

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Posted 15 February 2013 - 09:27 AM

I didn't make any pics of the problems, since at the time I was too busy cussing at having to correct or re-enter lost data.  Sorry.  The two worst times were both editing posts in this thread, if I remember correctly.  One of the two was editing this post.  I went in and edited the post and when I posted it about a quarter of it was just gone.  Fortunately, that time I just happened to have that same page of the thread open in another tab and was able to cut and paste to recover the old and my edits, as best as I could remember them.  The other time I had edited a different post and when I posted, not only half of it was gone, but what was left was no longer in either clear text or in BBCode, but was in HTML.  It was a much smaller post so I was able to recreate it.
 
I'm on Win7 x64 and have been using SRWare Iron portable as my almost exclusive browser for almost two years now.
 
I have really found it annoying that when you edit a post with code or quote tags, or any BBCode tags I guess, that the edit box defaults to editing the post in its "pretty" state rather than with the BBCodes showing.  It makes it almost dangerous, at least to your sanity, to try and edit within the code block.  If you happen to be deleting within the code block and backspace just one too many characters, you lose the block outline and its heading ( such as "NIM, on 15 Feb 2013 - 02:12, said:" ), and it is totally unrecoverable with control Z or anything else I've found.  Everything that was inside the code block is now outside it  When it has happened to me, at least a dozen times, I've had to just cancel the edit and start all over as the only way to get what I wanted to say to look right.  Now that I finally found the magic button to be able to toggle between having BBCodes shown or not while editing, I at least won't have that problem any more since everyting in the edit box will be treated as text and control-Z will act correctly.  I haven't looked to see if there is a profile setting to force this a default behavior, but I hope so.  Nope, no way I can find.
 
To see for yourself what happens, pick any post you wish, and hit the "Quote" button.  In the edit box position your cursor inside the quoted text box at the very beginning of the quoted text.  Hit the Backspace key and see what happens.  Try to get the quoted text box back.  You can't do it.  Try the same thing but in the edit mode where all the BBCodes are visible.  Now, anything you delete is recoverable with a simple control-Z.
 
I'm sure that all my problems would never have occurred if I had simply been editing in the mode where BBCodes are visible.  As far as I'm concerned, editing in the "pretty" mode is just plain broken and the more complicated the post is that you are editing the more likely it is that you will have problems.
 
EDIT1: For those who haven't found it, the magic button is the one in the top left corner of the edit box.
 
EDIT2: I figured at least nonno fabio has run into similar problems since he just posted yesterday:
 

updated (sorry for first topic mess but this board version is really unusable...)

 
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Edited by bphlpt, 15 February 2013 - 09:36 AM.


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Posted 15 February 2013 - 01:40 PM

I have really found it annoying that when you edit a post with code or quote tags, or any BBCode tags I guess, that the edit box defaults to editing the post in its "pretty" state rather than with the BBCodes showing.  It makes it almost dangerous, at least to your sanity, to try and edit within the code block.  If you happen to be deleting within the code block and backspace just one too many characters, you lose the block outline and its heading ( such as "NIM, on 15 Feb 2013 - 02:12, said:" ), and it is totally unrecoverable with control Z or anything else I've found.



I second that,, it can be prtty annoying when editing a long post.

 

 

 

EDIT1: For those who haven't found it, the magic button is the one in the top left corner of the edit box.

 

 

Thanks ! But why this disable the others buttons ?

 

I often use Fass, a BBcode editor, when i want to add some code.



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Posted 15 February 2013 - 07:01 PM

I have also ran into the strange editing issues when "quoting" or "coding".  Trying to clean up formatting is very difficult due to the losing of the entire "quote" / "code" box.



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Posted 15 February 2013 - 07:55 PM

Use the magic button ! :P



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Posted 15 February 2013 - 08:11 PM

Thanks ! But why this disable the others buttons ?

 
True. That is a sloppy implementation. I've used other forum software, such as at Ryans, where you edit while the BBCodes are showing and the similar buttons work just fine, inserting the BBCodes as appropriate.
 
 

I often use Fass, a BBcode editor, when i want to add some code.

 
Thanks for this I'll have to check it out.

New discovery. The "magic button" remembers its last position! So whatever way you left it when you last edited a post, it will be that way the next time you edit a post. That helps a little bit. You can also use toggling the "magic button" like a "Preview this post" even when using the "quick edit" box to make a new post.

A couple of problems I just discovered while in the mode where the BBCodes are showing (I wish I new a better name to call the two modes - "pretty" vs "BBCode" ? ). One is that I sometimes have to toggle back and forth between the two modes and enter line feeds in the "pretty" mode to get the line spacing right between text I was entering when it was surrounded by quote blocks since otherwise if I just stayed in "BBCode" mode,  it sometimes tended to delete line breaks I tried to insert between the block and my reply text when I posted the post. It wasn't consistent though. (Sorry Nik, I hope you understand what I mean.) The other minor thing is that when in "BBCode" mode, line wrap does not break at word boundaries, but will just wrap in the middle of a word. It can be a little confusing.

By the way, the official name for the "magic button" is BBCode Mode, for those looking for it.

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Edited by bphlpt, 15 February 2013 - 10:06 PM.


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Posted 15 February 2013 - 08:32 PM

New discovery. The "magic button" remembers its last position! So whatever way you left it when you last edited a post, it will be that way the next time you edit a post.

Discovered as well ;)

 

 

Thanks for this I'll have to check it out.


Fass is really great to add BBcode, (especially links and images, but it's also very handy for quotes and code for this forum, before the discovering of the "magic-BBCode Mode-button").

It is very fast (no lags) and IMO better to use than any forum reply boxes  when you're editing/creating a long post with many code, and It have Ctrl+Z and preview ability ! (but it doesn't have all the BBcode functions, only the most used)
The version I have linked is more recent than the one on the official site (0.8 vs 0.9beta), but it has disappeared from the site :( so I have saved it preciously.


Edited by mooms, 15 February 2013 - 08:44 PM.


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Posted 15 February 2013 - 10:06 PM

The version I have linked is more recent than the one on the official site (0.8 vs 0.9beta), but it has disappeared from the site :( so I have saved it preciously.

 
Thanks for the clarification.  I was just going to ask about that after visiting the official site.

For those wondering, Fass apparently stands for Forum assistant.
 
Hopefully, the Community Forum Software will be fixed/improved so that separate tools are not needed.  But at least now we have a couple of ways around the current problems.
 
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Edited by bphlpt, 15 February 2013 - 10:09 PM.


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Posted 16 February 2013 - 01:00 AM

It is always good to have it. BTW, even if it comes with an installer, FASS is portable.

 

edit: I have found the changelog for 0.9 beta:

 

What's New

Key: NEW = new feature, CNG = change, FIX = bug fix.

Version 0.9 Beta
NEW: Autosave draft at regular intervals (optional, in preferences)
NEW: Minimise to system tray (optional, in preferences)
NEW: Import/export of post from/to text files
CNG: Common smilies added to default insert menu
CNG: BBcodes changed to lowercase for improved bb software compatibility
CNG: Configuration file and folder names changed for clarity
CNG: Some menu names, button names and captions changed for clarity
FIX: Post editor drop-down menus not reverting to original state
FIX: Strange taborder of controls on all windows
FIX: Impossible to deselect text after text selection
FIX: Focus lost from text entry area after various operations
FIX: Error messages when some operations are attempted during preview


Edited by mooms, 16 February 2013 - 01:03 AM.


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Posted 16 February 2013 - 01:41 AM

So that mooms doesn't have to worry about continuing to host this file if he doesn't want to, here is where the original developer announced Fass v0.9 - http://community.inv...s-0-9-released/
 

It's been over a year and a half since the last release of Fass but I'm pleased to report that I've just released a new version and it's better than ever.

Never heard of Fass? Here's the blurb...

QUOTE
Fass is a (f)orum (ass)istant, providing an enhanced, offline alternative to the post editor in forum software and an automated, template-based post generator. Features include: saving/loading drafts, post preview, 100 level undo/redo, menu and colour customisation, branding options for webmasters and much more. Originally designed for use with Invision Power Board, Fass uses standard bbcode that is compatible with most forum software.
The version I've just released is 0.9 beta and as one would expect includes some new features and many improvements.

You can download it from the announcement here. I'll add it to the actual Fass website once it's out of beta.

 
As mooms mentioned, the referenced page is no longer on the thepawgroup site, but thanks to the magic of the Wayback Machine you can still find it here:
 

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Fass 0.9 Beta Released

With one hour until Christmas day, I'm proud to present a special Christmas gift for all Fass fans!

Fass 0.9 Beta contains lots of new features, changes and bug fixes. Almost all are the direct result of feedback received in the Fass forum, proving just how important such user feedback is to a project like Fass. View this topic for the what's new list.

Download Fass 0.9 Beta [100KB]

I hope you enjoy the new version!
 

Note to upgraders: It is recommended that you uninstall older versions of Fass before installing 0.9. This is because the new version uses different folder and file names for settings.

 
and the download link still functions to get the same file that mooms posted.

EDIT: -- And as yet another, a little more recent and more fully featured option, it seems that the good folks at SevenForums have their own BBCode editor available here that looks quite good.
 
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Edited by bphlpt, 16 February 2013 - 01:59 AM.


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Posted 16 February 2013 - 01:54 AM

That's what I call "digging" !

 



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Posted 16 February 2013 - 02:44 AM

Thanks! Let me know what you think about the SevenForums bbce.

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Edited by bphlpt, 16 February 2013 - 02:45 AM.


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Posted 16 February 2013 - 04:04 AM

Thanks bphlpt, I will test it.

At first glance it seems more complete, but I'm afraid most of the bbcode will only works on sevenforums.



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Posted 16 February 2013 - 04:10 AM

Ah - hadn't noticed that. Thanks Oh well, was worth a shot.

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Posted 16 February 2013 - 08:09 AM

I have reported these issues. We'll see what answer will we get.



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Posted 16 February 2013 - 02:35 PM

Good to hear ..



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Posted 17 February 2013 - 10:37 PM

Nik,

I ran into something weird. When I tried to enter a link to a post over at MSFN by surrounding it with [ url ] tags like this:

[ url ][url=http://www.msfn.org/board/topic/156730-unattended-installation/page__p__1030189#entry1030189[]http://www.msfn.org/...9#entry1030189[ /url ]

without the extra spaces of course, it turned into this when it was posted:

[ url=undefined ][url=http://www.msfn.org/...9#entry1030189[ /url ]

The only way the post was able to be posted correctly was if I entered it like this:

[ url=http://www.msfn.org/...89#entry1030189 ][url=http://www.msfn.org/...9#entry1030189[ /url ]

That's perfectly fine, but it shouldn't be required.

EDIT: It's actually worse than it looks. Quote this post and go into "BBCode" mode and see how screwed up this really is.

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Edited by bphlpt, 20 February 2013 - 12:58 AM.


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Posted 18 February 2013 - 10:59 AM

I just can't believe that no one is replying me on Invision forums.



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Posted 19 February 2013 - 06:56 PM

No replies at all. It appears that no one cares for this issues.

Guys, can anyone try to login here and test on Invision live board.

http://community.inv...sting-messages/

 

Please use the above forum as it is used for testing purposes.

Try to do exact steps as here.

 

Are you positive that these issues were not present prior to the latest version update?

 

Thanks!






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