Falo Posted February 10, 2014 Share Posted February 10, 2014 Hi!I have been wondering about this for a long time now I know I can use all in "Hotfix" folder but after that...Now, we have 4 more folders in there and for us "ordinary" people who just know enough to makea quite updated windisc have no clue what we can use in there.I have no idea what most of the things in "additional" and "extra" folders are."General" and "Security" I guess I can use. What happens if I choose everything except earlier Explorers?Will such an installation image work and is there a benefit vs only hotfixes? I have always only used the normal hotfixes because I just don't know.Feel like a newbie now when I asked this but I think there are a lot of people thatdon't know these things. To google up everything should take a while and would probably not make me much wiseron which I shouldn't use If someone could spread a little light on this I would be Happy /Falo Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mooms Posted February 10, 2014 Share Posted February 10, 2014 Alternatively you can use this. alfreire 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
abbodi1406 Posted February 11, 2014 Share Posted February 11, 2014 General - Security - Hotfix.. are the main updates that are safe to use for all systemsregarding the difference between Additional & Extra Categories, the reason for having those two categories is for better organizing and to ease the download process for the average userAdditional Updates Category aims to include the "Special" updates that are common or most usefulthis includes:Updates for Specific Features that does not exists in All Windows Editions: GroupPolicyIIS (Internet Information Services)MSMQ (Microsoft Message Queue)NFS (Network File System)SNMP (Simple Network Management Protocol)SUA (Subsystem for UNIX-based Applications)WindowsMediaCenterVM (Virtual Machine Drivers)Updates or Packages that adds more features or have special functionality:Not Integratable (Exclusive Updates for online live system)Platform (Platform Update 2670838) and its UpdatesSUR Tool (System Update Readiness tool)WAT (Windows Activation Technologies)WinHelp (WinHlp32 app for the legacy Windows Help format)WMF4.0 (Windows Media Foundation) and its updatesRDC8.1 (Remote Desktop Client 8.1) and its Prerequisites and UpdatesRDP8.0 (Remote Desktop Protocol 8.0) and its Prerequisites and UpdatesWinRE (Windows Recovery Environment image)WUClient (Windows Update Client 7.6.7600.256)IE11 (Internet Explorer 11) including:Prerequisites (updates needs to be installed prior installing IE11)CABs (for integration offline or online)EXE (for standard online install)Updates (Cumulative security updates)Extra Updates Category will contain the rest of additional updatesthis includes:Packages that adds more features or have special functionality but not needed for most users:DCA2.0 (DirectAccess_Connectivity_Assistant) and its updatesFile.Management.APIMicrosoft.AgentNT.Backup.UtilityWIF (Windows Identity Foundation) and its updatesMediaFeaturePack (for N and KN editions)MediaFormatFeaturePack (for N and KN editions)RSAT (Remote Server Administration Tools) and its updatesAD LDS (Active Directory Lightweight Directory Services) and its updatesVirtualPC and its updatesFrench.Enterprisepl-pl (for Polish Windows 7)BrowserChoice (for EA users)Updates or Packages that has newer releases:IE8IE9IE10 (same as IE11)WMF3.0 (Windows Media Foundation) and its updates alfreire 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SunLion Posted February 11, 2014 Share Posted February 11, 2014 Thanks for your reply, abbodi! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tuesday77 Posted February 11, 2014 Share Posted February 11, 2014 Yeah thank you abbodi1406 for this explanation, its really good one.Seems i can disintegrate some on my lite edition, that's good. A question, which ones of the first subgroup don't be included in standard x64 Ultimate? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Falo Posted February 11, 2014 Author Share Posted February 11, 2014 Thanks Abbodi1406 I will copy your answer to a textfile and save it to my "winfix" folder.I will test now :cap: /Falo Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Falo Posted February 11, 2014 Author Share Posted February 11, 2014 Just a question.Is there a lot of duplicates in the update folders?I chose: Security - 51 updatesGeneral - 44 updatesHotfix - 523 updatesSum: 618 updates But when I added these it says: Updates + Languages (526)Seems like its quite a few missing (or it's something I am missing) /Falo Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tuesday77 Posted February 11, 2014 Share Posted February 11, 2014 It exist (22) duplicates, that's true.Some are in general and also in additional for example. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Falo Posted February 12, 2014 Author Share Posted February 12, 2014 Just a question.Is there a lot of duplicates in the update folders?I chose: Security - 51 updatesGeneral - 44 updatesHotfix - 523 updatesSum: 618 updates But when I added these it says: Updates + Languages (526)Seems like its quite a few missing (or it's something I am missing) /FaloIt ended up with 555 updates instead of 618 /Falo Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
abbodi1406 Posted February 12, 2014 Share Posted February 12, 2014 How did you got 523 hotfixes? there are curently about 330 onlyand all updates in the list are total 589 (with duplicates) the duplicates are about 29 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tuesday77 Posted February 12, 2014 Share Posted February 12, 2014 I'm a bit confused, after download latest and delete supersedes for all folders: All hash duplicates (22): All name duplicates (19): Win7 x64 Items: 578Win7 x86 Items: 551(Without languages/SPs) Whats wrong at my system?And its wanted to have duplicates like the latest in hash list? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Falo Posted February 12, 2014 Author Share Posted February 12, 2014 I'm gonna delete all the updates and start over... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
abbodi1406 Posted February 13, 2014 Share Posted February 13, 2014 (edited) I'm a bit confused, after download latest and delete supersedes for all folders: All hash duplicates (22): All name duplicates (19): Win7 x64 Items: 578Win7 x86 Items: 551(Without languages/SPs) Whats wrong at my system?And its wanted to have duplicates like the latest in hash list?There is nothing wrong (explicitly )IE Prerequisites are clear enough (i'm thinking of changing the way for providing them to a single text file, this way we can get rid of the duplication situation)AD LDS & RSAT duplicates are necessary to have them in both locations, because each of them contain components that are applicable for both packagessame for RDC8.1 and RDP8.0this also includes KB2834140, it's bi-update (meaning its components are applicable with and without Platform KB2670838)IE10 CABs:KB2764913 is the same IE-Hyphenation-en, i changed the name to KB2764913 to avoid duplication with IE11 Hyphenationsame thing goes for KB2764916 and IE-Spelling-enKB2764916 + KB2764913 are neutral packages (meaning x86 and x64 are the same file)so, you need to delete IE-Hyphenation-en + IE-Spelling-en from IE10 CABs folderKB2892074 and KB2893294 and KB2900635:apparently those duplication is a temporary error or something caused by WHDyou can safely delete Windows8.1-KB2900635-x86 from x64 folderand redownload KB2892074, KB2893294 for windows8.1 Edited February 13, 2014 by abbodi1406 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tuesday77 Posted February 16, 2014 Share Posted February 16, 2014 Ahhh okay i understand, thx. Mhh.. may for prevent to use different (more) folders?Example: ATM its:IE10 Updates* (some same in 11)IE11 Updates* (some same in 10) should:IE10 Updates* (unique 10)IE11 Updates* (unique 11)IE Updates* (unique - for both, 10 & 11) What u think about? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
abbodi1406 Posted February 16, 2014 Share Posted February 16, 2014 IE10 Updates has IE10- prefix in ther names, whereas IE11 Updates has IE11- prefix so what is the same between them exactly? and about the folders, IE10 and IE11 are unique to each other, so users who wants IE11 will not download any IE10 related, and vice versa Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tuesday77 Posted February 16, 2014 Share Posted February 16, 2014 (edited) Nah i mean more folders instead of duplicates:(Sorry iv wrong described was i mean.. ) Here, at the moment its, example:...\Additional\RDC8.1 Prerequisites\KB2834140...\Additional\RDC8.0 Prerequisites\KB2834140So KB2834140 is doubled. May better:...\Additional\RDC8.1 Prerequisites\...\Additional\RDC8.0 Prerequisites\...\Additional\RDC Prerequisites\KB2834140And now the RDC-Folder include an unique KB2834140, instead of both folders.The 8.1 and 8.0 folders includes each unique items they just for each 8.1 and 8.0.The RDC includes for all RDC versions, for example. Explanation:Better to make a own Folder for these "bi-updates" (for example), with no name-prefix that's then for is for all versions.So, yea sure the prefix-way is clear, but in this new way would be just one file needed for download/keep-on-disk instead of duplicates. Edited February 16, 2014 by BrokenZer0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
abbodi1406 Posted February 17, 2014 Share Posted February 17, 2014 Well, currently there are no "actual" duplicates in the list so your suggestion doesn't apply Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tuesday77 Posted February 18, 2014 Share Posted February 18, 2014 (edited) Okay i renew all downloads and take a look. BTW: WTK now using also your list (as WHD)? Update:Okay no more duplicates, that's fine. But i think the other solution would be better. Edited February 18, 2014 by BrokenZer0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
abbodi1406 Posted February 18, 2014 Share Posted February 18, 2014 I really don't know, i'm not involved in the deal Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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