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[08 octobre 2019] Update list GDR pour Windows 7 SP1 x86/x64 (Fr-En-De-Es-It)

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Just did another test and confirmed that 2533552, 2603229, 3046269 and 3177467 not needed in silent list. My only kb's in silent list are 2685811 and 2685813.

after installing this iso into VM WU only asks for MRT and defender. I installed those updates and did manual check again and NO important updates. only 2 optional, 4032113 and 3102429. deep clean uninstalls 2534111.

regards...

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@icare

Merci pour l'info. J'ai vu que tu avais mis à jour le DNF 4.7 Je ferai un test avec cette nouvelle version la prochaine fois !

@pennsylvaniaron

I'll check this when I'll have some time next week. I'm surprised for KB3046269 (not replaced in WU catalog website) and KB3177467 (this one solved the WU bug that made 100% UC usage when searching new updates). KB2603229 was needed only for x64. For KB2533552 you know the answer !

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There have been some updates in the past still necessary for non english-languages; may be this is the reason.

You install in French, he in English.

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5 hours ago, rhahgleuhargh said:

@pennsylvaniaron

I uninstalled KB2603229 and KB3046269 in my virtual machine, rebooted: they are asked by WU. I left KB3177467 for the reason explained upper. These KB are still needed!

rhahgleuhargh I am NOT as versed as you and thiersee with using WTK and making the iso as you well know. All I can say when doing the English version (as thiersee points out) that after the new monthly rollup gets integrated in my system WTK then DOES integrate 2533552, 2603229, 3046269 and 3177467, even though they are not in the 43 or so updates getting installed. WTK shows this at the bottom of the screen where the integration messages pop up 1 after another. Since I saw WTK integrating them I figured why have them in the silents list, where I have removed them. Naturally it will save time when doing a new installation. 

It might be the exact steps I take using WTK and making a new iso???

As I said I use my prior months preset minus the new updates. Then when adding all the new updates from the NEW ul, a screen comes up with those 4 known kb issues. I check them all so that WTK put them in the silents. I do that so they do NOT get included with all the updates. I then go to silents and remove them. Maybe doing it that way somehow "tricks" WTK into integrating them somehow even though nowhere to be found?

What I am saying is that they are not needed in the silent list doing it this way. However they are still needed.

How that differs than just including them in the entire update list (by not checking them) I don't understand, but I was told from way back to have them in the silent list. Now that I have probably confused you, (sorry), please respond.

regards...

Edited by pennsylvaniaron

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@pennsylvaniaron

No problem, for the fun I'll try an integration with an english ISO next week, I'll report the results. I suppose you are using En-us ISO ?

Usually I only use the steps explained in the tutorial, I don't record the settings in WTK (only my tweaks). concerning ULs, I keep previous downloaded KBs and only download new ones and delete automatically superseeded.

@Thiersee

Needed updates for non-english systems were usually those for IE11, but why not ? Answer next week.

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8 hours ago, rhahgleuhargh said:

@pennsylvaniaron

No problem, for the fun I'll try an integration with an english ISO next week, I'll report the results. I suppose you are using En-us ISO ?

Usually I only use the steps explained in the tutorial, I don't record the settings in WTK (only my tweaks). concerning ULs, I keep previous downloaded KBs and only download new ones and delete automatically superseeded.

@Thiersee

Needed updates for non-english systems were usually those for IE11, but why not ? Answer next week.

Rhahgleuhargh I use the English ver of win 7, sp1, and the home premium edition. Might as well use that exact iso to hopefully, see what I mean. I really doubt that tweaks, files drivers etc will have an affect. Please use the CONVENIENCE method. Download the English UL's (ie11) into WTK.  Load IE11, then the remaining 40 or so updates. When the screen comes up with the 4 unknown issues, please check all 4 so they go to your silent list. Then go to your silent list and delete them. I then move 2685811, 2685813 to the silent list from the update list. then start your integration.

Please keep an eye on the updates getting integrated. after the last update, (the monthly rollup) pay particular attention to the area where WTK is letting you know which update is being integrated. When I use these steps WTK will say after the monthly rollup integration: integrating known issues and those 4 issues that you originally had in the silent and are no longer there get integrated. Hopefully same happens to you. If so then make your iso and test on vm. I always check INSIDE the WORKING folder that you extracted the iso to, for the folder that has the silent files in them and make sure the list in there is correct. sometimes 2533552 slips in somehow. 

regards...

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@pennsylvaniaron

I did a test last night using English ISO from Windows ISO Downloader (homePremium), using eng IE11 installer (of course). I included all updates except the RunOnce ones (5-), moved as usual KB2685811 and KB2685813 in Silent+ SFX section, and used Telemetry script : KB2603229 and KB3046269 were asked by WU at first reboot (but only 740 Kb, so just a part is needed)... Curiously not KB3177467, but this one is needed once the others are installed (it was asked at the second round).

Edited by rhahgleuhargh

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I did a test too ;)!

New ISO en-US Win7 HPx64, full UL (Convenience), IE11 en-US, same sequence as described by @pennsylvaniaron:

KBs imported in WTK, 4 KBs are marked to be moved under Silent SFX, moved them, under Silent SFX deleted the 4 KBs, back under Updates and moved KB2685811 & 13 to Silent.

Started the integration and watched the process (my eyes became like 2 monitors :D) and, indeed, after integration of KB4034664 WTK integrated the 4 "Know issues" too, but I got an error at the end regarding KB2603229 & KB3046269!

I'll do another test today.

Edit:

2nd test done, issue confirmed.

 

Edited by Thiersee

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@Thiersee

So it seems that there is a bug with WTK when you remove some things in WTK installer. The error message concerning KB2603229 and 3046269 is normal since these 2 KBs can't be integrated offline, but it's not normal that they appear in the offline updatelist if removed from Silent + SFX section.

I'll do a new test later integrating RunOnce updates in Silent + SFX section and deleting them with the view to reproduce the bug.

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@rhahgleuhargh & @pennsylvaniaron

3rd test:

again all fresh, importing the full UL and, when the mask with the 4 known issues comes, nothing checked, only pressed "Continue"!

In TAB Updates deleted the 4 "Known Issues": no integration issues, no "half-hidden" integration of them!

@pennsylvaniaron

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I have probably confused you, (sorry), please respond.

Indeed :D!

First of all: if you mean, you don't need the 4 KBs, why do you import them??? This is a nonsense!

1) If you use Telemetry.exe without changes, you don't need to import/move/delete KB2533552: it will be hidden by telemetry.exe

2) If you import them, do not check them when the mask "Known Issues" comes and delete them under "Updates/Known issues".

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I always check delete old installers (sfx section).  (posted August, 10)

Why?

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I really doubt that tweaks, files drivers etc will have an affect. (poste August, 19)

Right, it happens with only KBs too.

a.) PLEASE, make a fresh PRESET.INI with only Updates (keep in mind what I wrote before) and test an integration with it.

b.) If it's OK, reload a fresh ISO, use this preset.ini and add your add-on, silent installers, tweaks and what you need, but save it under another name as a.)

And, very important, do not change continuously the way or the sequence, keep always a copy or description of what is working!

Otherwise you make us and, more important, yourself confused.

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Gentlemen sorry for the confusion. The reason this came about was purely by accident. Thiersee as you know from our pm's and I have written numerous times just about every month when making my iso I was having IE11 FAIL to integrate. I would then have to do the integration over, numerous times. After 3 or 4 attempts it would work and I didn't know why. After awhile the eyes and mind get blurry. This month I did the method stated above and MOST IMPORTANTLY IE11 integrated with no problems. I realized if I deleted the 4 known issues from my silent list, then included them, IE11 WORKS!. Again I was using a preset with the 4 known issues being carried over in the silent every month. If left there then IE11 FAILS.

At that point I was VERY HAPPY. But curiosity got the best of me so I posed the question to the forum where there is much experience and knowledge using WTK and the UL's. When I made the change described in detail above I noticed the 4 unknown issues getting integrated and just posed the question as to why since they are not in the updates and silents. It seemed to me to be duplicating the 4 issues by then including them in the silent list. I see them getting integrated so why extend and installation by including them in the silent list.

hey I'm thrilled that IE11 doesn't fail on me anymore by doing it the way described. A 45 minute procedure was taking me 4 hrs and lots of frustration every month.

I will try the procedure that thiersee recommends just to see what happens, but at this point my philosophy is>> if it ain't broke don't fix it. My final VM install with the iso I make seems perfect.

I truly APPRECIATE the TIME and EFFORT by both you chaps. Any other information on your testing truly appreciated. (you might want to replicate what I initially was doing with the 4 known issues being carried over (preset) in the silents to see if IE11 fails and if so, WHY?)

My goal was to learn more (which I did) and hopefully help others or find out if there is a bug, which I think there is because of the IE11 failure. knowledge is power, correct?

regards...

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Bonjour,

mise à jour sécurité et qualité cumulative pour DNF : KB4041083

contient en particulier KB4040980 pour Windows 7 SP1 et KB4040973 pour DNF 4.6 et 4.7.

le bug de la KB4019990 subsiste.

Pourquoi ne pas la mettre dans les ULs

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20 minutes ago, icare said:

.....

le bug de la KB4019990 subsiste.

.....

Hi,

what do you mean?

I experienced on a new installation the bug with the missing DLL has been solved since the rollup of june (no need for KB4019990 anymore)

Of course this KB may be necessary on updating a system, if the user installs .NET-FW 4.7.

But let us wait for .NET-FW 471, may be the bug will be solved definitively ;)...

 

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Hello,

Changelog du mois :

Security Monthly Quality Rollup : KB4038777 remplace KB4034664, KB3170455 (common), KB2868116 (classic)

DNF3.5.1 : KB4040980 remplace KB4014504, KB2978120 (classic). EDIT eh non, KB2978120 toujours demandée par WU...

@icare,

Je n'ai pas rencontré de bug avec KB401990 avec ton installateur du mois précédent sur une installation fraîche. Normalement cette mise à jour est incluse dans la mise à jour cumulative ? Je vais faire un test avec ton installateur du mois et la nouvelle UL.

 

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@icare

Test avec la dernière UL (KB4040980 incluse) et la dernière version de ton DNF47 : une petite partie de KB4041083 de 2,4 Mo est demandée en mise à jour prioritaire. RAS en mise à jour optionnelle. Je ne comprends pas d'où vient cette partie demandée, puisque la partie liée au DNF 3.5 est intégrée et marquée installée, et que ton DNF comprend KB4040973.

KB4041083 inclut également une mise à jour pour DNF 453 (KB4040977) mais je ne pense pas que cela vienne de là. J'en conclue donc que c'est KB4011990 qui est demandée. Bug de WU ! Soit je la mets dans les ULs soit il faut la remettre dans l'installateur du DNF. Au choix !

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@rhahgleuhargh

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une petite partie de KB4041083 de 2,4 Mo est demandée en mise à jour prioritaire

I can confirm it!

For x86 is 1.2MB.

I don't have any issue with KB4019990

 

Edit: this small part of KB4041083 is marked as "Preview".....

Edited by Thiersee

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On 13.9.2017 at 4:09 PM, rhahgleuhargh said:

J'en conclue donc que c'est KB4011990 qui est demandée. Bug de WU !

I can confirm this too!

After OS-install I installed KB4040973, WU asked for KB4041083 with a size of 2.6MB (x64); I installed KB4019990 and the request has gone!

On a second VM I installed KB4040973, thenWU asked for KB4041083 with a size of 2.6MB (x64); I installed the request from WU and got KB4019990 in the list of installed updates!

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my sept results

wu reports 1st check:

kb4041083

kb2685811 (its #1 in my silent list)

mrt

defender

2nd check:

no updates...

deep clean>>>>kb2534111

regards....

 

 

Edited by pennsylvaniaron

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