ftvm06 Posted October 30, 2016 Share Posted October 30, 2016 Bonjour rhahgleuhargh, Salut voisin, désolé de ne répondre que maintenant, j'étais en week end ... dans l'arrière pays du côté de Digne ou il fait nettement plus frais que à Nice ! Donc le problème venait que j'utilisais la 1.5.4.4, alors j'ai essayé avec la 1.5.4.4.7 en suivant ton lien et ça marche sans problème Après avoir fait les intégrations et un peu de Runonce comme tu vois, j'arrive à ce reste de mise à jour de WU Y a t'il moyen d'optimiser ça, pour en avoir le moins possible ? Jte joins mes copies d'écrans sur mes intégrations en suivant ton tuto qui est très bien fait ! Merci de ta réponse et à bientot Jean-Pierre Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thiersee Posted October 30, 2016 Share Posted October 30, 2016 Hallo Jean-Pierre, sorry if I answer in english, but I don't speak french... Pict. 1: most of the requested updates disappear (together with KB2533552, Pict. 2), if you put the File rollup.exe (Convenience Rollup Pack) or W10.exe (Classic Integration) under RunOnce; .NET-FW is not part of the UL. Pict. 2: KB3192403 is a preview: I would wait for the next Patch-Day. Regards, Thiersee Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rhahgleuhargh Posted October 30, 2016 Author Share Posted October 30, 2016 @ftvm06 c'était un WE idéal pour aller dans l'arrière-pays ! Pour le .net FW, tu peux utiliser l'installateur d'icare (il l'a mis à jour avec la version 4.6.2), le lien est au premier post. Pour les autres mises à jour, c'est comme Thiersee a écrit, tu peux soit les masquer une par une (en particulier les 2 .net FW 3.5.1, les autres sont des mises à jour de télémétrie qui je le crains seront bientôt intégrées dans les futures versions du rollup mensuel), ou utiliser les scripts pour le faire automatiquement. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mooms Posted October 30, 2016 Share Posted October 30, 2016 Pour (ou plutôt contre) les màj de télémétrie, j'ai installé ceci: https://www.safer-networking.org/spybot-anti-beacon/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rhahgleuhargh Posted October 31, 2016 Author Share Posted October 31, 2016 @mooms Intéressant, je vais jeter un oeil à la version portable. ça ne bouffe pas trop de ressources ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mooms Posted October 31, 2016 Share Posted October 31, 2016 Aucune ressource, tu le lance une fois et basta. La version portable ne marchait pas chez moi par contre. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rastamanx Posted November 1, 2016 Share Posted November 1, 2016 T'as tcpdump/wireshark après application pour voir à quel point c'est fiable ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rhahgleuhargh Posted November 1, 2016 Author Share Posted November 1, 2016 12 hours ago, mooms said: Aucune ressource, tu le lance une fois et basta. La version portable ne marchait pas chez moi par contre. En fait c'est le raccourci qui ne marche pas, si tu vas dans App/SpybotAntiBeacon et que tu cliques sur l'exécutable, ça fonctionne. Effectivement le programme est tout simple, et contrairement à ceux du même genre que j'ai pu tester sur 10, il ne désactive pas le téléchargement du guide TV du Media Center (eh oui, on peut remettre WMC sur 10) ! Adopté ! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mooms Posted November 1, 2016 Share Posted November 1, 2016 14 hours ago, mooms said: Aucune ressource, tu le lance une fois et basta. La version portable ne marchait pas chez moi par contre. Non mais si tu le fait je veux bien les résultats 2 hours ago, rhahgleuhargh said: En fait c'est le raccourci qui ne marche pas, si tu vas dans App/SpybotAntiBeacon et que tu cliques sur l'exécutable, ça fonctionne. Effectivement le programme est tout simple, et contrairement à ceux du même genre que j'ai pu tester sur 10, il ne désactive pas le téléchargement du guide TV du Media Center (eh oui, on peut remettre WMC sur 10) ! Adopté ! Bon à savoir, merci ! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rhahgleuhargh Posted November 8, 2016 Author Share Posted November 8, 2016 (edited) Hello, bilan des mises à jour du mois : Security Monthly Quality Rollup : KB3197868 remplace KB3185330, KB3164033, KB3182203, KB3184122 (common), KB2511455, KB2570947 (classic) C'est le résultat sur mes machines virtuelles, mais comme la liste des mises à jour remplacées par ce rollup est longue, je poursuis la comparaison par rapport au site WUCatalog. EDIT : OK. Edited November 8, 2016 by rhahgleuhargh Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rhahgleuhargh Posted November 8, 2016 Author Share Posted November 8, 2016 Attention, la dernière version de Wintoolkit ne met pas automatiquement KB3197868 après l'installateur d'IE 11. Je vais devoir recourir au même stratagème que le mois dernier, à savoir renommer cette mise à jour en IE11-KB3197868. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rhahgleuhargh Posted November 9, 2016 Author Share Posted November 9, 2016 ULs mises à jour uploadées. Le Rollup mensuel est nommé IE11-Windows6.1KB XXX.msu pour qu'il puisse se placer après l'installateur d'IE11. Monthly Rollup is renamed IE11-Windows6.1KBXXX.msu so it will be placed automatically after IE 11 installer in Wintoolkit. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mooms Posted November 9, 2016 Share Posted November 9, 2016 Salut rhahgleuhargh, Du coup tu maintiens aussi toujours le "classic integration" alors ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
topstuff Posted November 9, 2016 Share Posted November 9, 2016 I noticed that you put the monthly rollup in (kb3197868). This is the first time it adds telemetry/spyware into the equation for those that have been avoiding that by going classic and being careful. Has this list now decided to just put the monthly rollup in and not consider just the security only rollup where it makes sense (like this month with telemetry)? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rhahgleuhargh Posted November 9, 2016 Author Share Posted November 9, 2016 (edited) @mooms Oui et non ! En fait, pour mes tests je ne crée plus que des ISO (x86 et x64) par intégration avec la méthode du Convenience Rollup pack. Mais comme j'ai conservé mes machines virtuelles créées avec la méthode classique, je continue de vérifier quelles sont les mises à jour retirées avec le Patch Tuesday, et je compare avec la description de WUCatalog pour voir si d'autres ne sont pas retirées en plus. Il est possible que je refasse un test "classique" si jamais je retrouve beaucoup de différences (ce qui n'est pas le cas en ce moment), mais ce ne sera pas en routine. J'ai laissé la liste d'intégration classique pour ceux qui y tiennent (et parce que ça m'avait demandé quand même pas mal de taf, tu es bien placé pour le savoir !), mais cela ne présente plus d'intérêt en pratique. A noter, ce mois-ci, les mises à jour de télémétrie ont été incluses dans le Rollup mensuel, mais elles sont toujours demandées par WU. Les scripts .vbs sont donc encore utiles pour le moment. Edited November 9, 2016 by rhahgleuhargh Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rhahgleuhargh Posted November 9, 2016 Author Share Posted November 9, 2016 (edited) 2 hours ago, topstuff said: I noticed that you put the monthly rollup in (kb3197868). This is the first time it adds telemetry/spyware into the equation for those that have been avoiding that by going classic and being careful. Has this list now decided to just put the monthly rollup in and not consider just the security only rollup where it makes sense (like this month with telemetry)? Hi, Purpose of these ULs is to provide the minimum updates required by WU once integrated and installed. If you checked WU this month, KB3197868 is asked and not security only Rollup Pack KB3197867. All KBs marqued as telemetry related updates in UL are asked by WU after KB3197867. The difference between Quality and Security Rollups is that Quality Rollup provides not only telemetry updates, but other improvements that could be usefull to most people. I'm not sure if the telemetry components included in the Rollup are really active if you didn't install these KB (2952664, 3021917 ; 3080149 and 3068708 were included in convenience Rollup pack, but they are still asked by WU) and if you didn't join the Consumer Experience Improvement Program : abbodi1406 may be the most competent person able to answer this question. I prefered to select Quality Rollup because it's more simple. Don't forget that in few months, all previous KBs will be integrated in Rollups (ie all common and "classic" ones), and Convenience Rollup Pack will be certainly updated to solve some bugs (especially concerning all prerequisite updates) : final purpose is to have the same integration method as Windows 10 : one big cumulative and eventually one service stack updates. You can block telemetry services with external programs (mooms proposed this one that seems to work good, especially in spyware OS Windows 10), or scripts (check in Wincert MDL forum, especially abbodi1406 scripts in Windows 7 hotfix repository category). Personly, I don't care about these telemetry updates. Even Linux distributions contain telemetry report, and our smartphones are more spied than our computers ! Edited November 9, 2016 by rhahgleuhargh dareckibmw 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
topstuff Posted November 9, 2016 Share Posted November 9, 2016 (edited) 13 minutes ago, rhahgleuhargh said: I prefered to select Quality Rollup because it's more simple. Don't forget that in few months, all previous KBs will be integrated in Rollups (ie all common and "classic" ones), and Convenience Rollup Pack will be certainly updated to solve some bugs (especially concerning all prerequisite updates) : final purpose is to have the same integration method as Windows 10 : one big cumulative and eventually one service stack updates. You can block telemetry services with external programs (mooms proposed this one that seems to work good, especially in spyware OS Windows 10), or scripts (check in Wincert forum, especially abbodi1406 scripts in Windows 7 hotfix repository category). Personly, I don't care about these telemetry updates. Even Linux distributions contain telemetry report, and our smartphones are more spied than our computers ! I see your point about them all eventually being rolled up anyway. Seems we can't escape them. The Quality rollup ads a new service to win 7 called "Diagnostics Tracking Service" and it set to automatically run. One can disable it, but does it really get disabled? I wouldn't mind if ALL the telemetry can be turned off, but has it been proven one can shut up win 7 by registry hacks/group policy switches? Win 10, even with everything shut off, still talks to MS. I would like to know if win 7 can be shut up in a real way opposed to win 10. Edited November 9, 2016 by topstuff little bit more info Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rhahgleuhargh Posted November 9, 2016 Author Share Posted November 9, 2016 (edited) @topstuff I did a mistake in my text : if you want to add scripts to manually block telemetry settings, check in My digital life forum here. You may find more infos. No I don't know if 7 can really completely be shut up... I'm waiting more info about this Diagnostics Tracking Service (10 seems to have the same one, ooops, I've disabled it...). Edited November 9, 2016 by rhahgleuhargh topstuff 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Extended Posted November 13, 2016 Share Posted November 13, 2016 (edited) ... Edited November 18, 2016 by Extended Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
abbodi1406 Posted November 13, 2016 Share Posted November 13, 2016 Integrate KB3020369 first Extended 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thiersee Posted November 16, 2016 Share Posted November 16, 2016 @rhahgleuhargh MS has released two preview, KB3197869 for Windows 7 and KB3196686 for NET-FW. Tested on x64-VM: KB3197869, the same issue as with the preview KB3192403 (october): KB3185319 (IE11) is requested again..... KB3196686: two superseded KB, 3163245 & 3188740. Let's wait for the next patch-day..... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rhahgleuhargh Posted November 16, 2016 Author Share Posted November 16, 2016 @Thiersee Thank you for the info ! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pennsylvaniaron Posted November 16, 2016 Share Posted November 16, 2016 I have been getting a script error in the rollup.vbs, realtime installs. it says LINE 36, CHARACTER 1, ERROR 0x8024001F, CODE 8024001F. REGARDS... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thiersee Posted November 17, 2016 Share Posted November 17, 2016 10 hours ago, pennsylvaniaron said: I have been getting a script error in the rollup.vbs, realtime installs. it says LINE 36, CHARACTER 1, ERROR 0x8024001F, CODE 8024001F. REGARDS... Rollup.vbs needs a working internet line! I had sometime the same error and it was this the reason. Thiersee Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alpha_95 Posted November 18, 2016 Share Posted November 18, 2016 (edited) Salut, pas de mise à jour prioritaire mais en facultatif: KB3197869, KB3102429 et KB3196686 ça va donc encore bouger le mois prochain ? edit: KB3102429 est bien présent sur mon PC de la maison, les deux autres sont aussi demandées en facultatives. Edited November 19, 2016 by Alpha_95 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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