anass_f Posted November 12, 2011 Share Posted November 12, 2011 (edited) As stated in the title W7T freezes hours while deleting WinSxS\Backup folder.I went to the mount path then Windows\winsxs\Backup, I tired to delete a file but with no success. "Properties" of Backup folder then "Security" then I found it has an unknown owner SID and my user account had no right to modify or delete... I set the owner as "Administrators" then grant them full rights. I went back to W7T and voila unleashed!I guess that the issue of security rights could affects other functions in W7T not only WinSxS Backup folder!W7T just close suddenly while it took long time to remove Speech support.using "ProcExp" I see W7T calling cmd.exe frequently each second with no command line parameters. this remark is independent of the issue stated in this topic. Edited November 13, 2011 by Legolash2o Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pedilover Posted November 12, 2011 Share Posted November 12, 2011 (edited) The same thing in my Win7 Toolkit appears. While speech and natural language removing it crashes ! The proggie wants to be closed or the debug modus. But when I take the debug modus nothing happens. and I must close the proggie and start again.Here is the second picture. Edited November 13, 2011 by Legolash2o Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RicaNeaga Posted November 13, 2011 Share Posted November 13, 2011 This doesn't happen to me. Tryed it (to remove speech support) for a 7 home premium x86 iso. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pedilover Posted November 13, 2011 Share Posted November 13, 2011 @RicaNeagaBut you have a 32-bit version. I tried with a 64-bit !! Is it possible that only the 64-bit version is hit of this bug ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
anass_f Posted November 13, 2011 Author Share Posted November 13, 2011 (edited) Maybe because I'm runing W7T under XP SP3 French (customizing Win7 x86)!Anyway, the problem source is the same as in http://www.wincert.n...-backup-folder/Here is the solution: I set the owner for the mount folder as "Administrators" then grant full rights to "Administrators" all these operations with the option of "overwriting child security rights attributes". I'm not sure about the exact term because I'm using a French version of XP.I guess that the issue of security rights could affects other functions in W7T not only WinSxS Backup folder!That's true!http://www.wincert.n...speech-support/ Edited November 13, 2011 by Legolash2o Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Legolash2o Posted November 13, 2011 Share Posted November 13, 2011 (edited) @RicaNeagaBut you have a 32-bit version. I tried with a 64-bit !! Is it possible that only the 64-bit version is hit of this bug ?What OS are you currently using, i'm using Win7 x64 and when i customize a x86 image it works fine however i have not tested customizing a x64 image.Maybe because I'm runing W7T under XP SP3 French (customizing Win7 x86)!Anyway, the problem source is the same as in http://www.wincert.n...-backup-folder/Here is the solution: I set the owner for the mount folder as "Administrators" then grant full rights to "Administrators" all these operations with the option of "overwriting child security rights attributes". I'm not sure about the exact term because I'm using a French version of XP.That's true!http://www.wincert.n...speech-support/W7T uses:RunExternal("takeown /f " + "\"" + F + "\"" + " /r /d y");RunExternal("Icacls " + "\"" + F + "\"" + " /t /c /Q /grant *S-1-1-0:F");Does XP have takeown and icacls? Edited November 13, 2011 by Legolash2o Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pedilover Posted November 13, 2011 Share Posted November 13, 2011 Hi Liam,I'm using a 64-bit Prof. version. For the second time the process of 7Toolkit broke at the same location. Look at my screenshots.Regards Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Legolash2o Posted November 13, 2011 Share Posted November 13, 2011 (edited) I'm going to upload a test version, i'll send you a PM in 2-3 mins with a link...EDIT: Sent to both of you... Edited November 13, 2011 by Legolash2o Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
myselfidem Posted November 13, 2011 Share Posted November 13, 2011 W7T uses:RunExternal("takeown /f " + "\"" + F + "\"" + " /r /d y");RunExternal("Icacls " + "\"" + F + "\"" + " /t /c /Q /grant *S-1-1-0:F");Does XP have takeown and icacls?Xp doesn't have takeown and icacls!About:RunExternal("takeown /f " + "\"" + F + "\"" + " /r /d y");Works for English version.With my Windows 7 French version, I need to use:RunExternal("takeown /f " + "\"" + F + "\"" + " /r /d o");y=yeso=ouiIt seems there is some problem with Windows 7 localized versions!Regards Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Legolash2o Posted November 13, 2011 Share Posted November 13, 2011 (edited) Looks like i will have to get the C# equivalent of changing ownership via code EDIT: Wow, that was suprisingly easy, W7T will no longer use takeown or icacls, any fancy testing the new method? Edited November 13, 2011 by Legolash2o Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pedilover Posted November 13, 2011 Share Posted November 13, 2011 the test version is arrived. After testing I will send you a message if there is success or not. Let's hope for the best!Regards Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
myselfidem Posted November 13, 2011 Share Posted November 13, 2011 If you could, this would be very awesome!Regards Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Legolash2o Posted November 13, 2011 Share Posted November 13, 2011 (edited) Wow, that was suprisingly easy, W7T will no longer use takeown or icacls, anyone fancy testing the new method? Edited November 13, 2011 by Legolash2o Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
myselfidem Posted November 13, 2011 Share Posted November 13, 2011 However, if needed it seems there is a workaround: http://www.msfn.org/board/topic/82191-xperos-utilities/page__st__60__p__667868#entry667868Regards Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
anass_f Posted November 13, 2011 Author Share Posted November 13, 2011 W7T uses:RunExternal("takeown /f " + "\"" + F + "\"" + " /r /d y");RunExternal("Icacls " + "\"" + F + "\"" + " /t /c /Q /grant *S-1-1-0:F");Does XP have takeown and icacls?I did not tried yet the test version you PM to me. But I have a suggestion for an alternative for both "takeown" and "lcacls": subinacl.exe.Here is the syntax for taking ownership (S-1-5-32-544 = Administrators (En) = Administrateurs (Fr) = ...):subinacl /subdirectories . /setowner=S-1-5-32-544and here is the syntax for granting full rights to the Administrators group:subinacl /subdirectories . /grant=S-1-5-32-544=fHere is the official link from Microsoft to download "subinacl":http://www.microsoft...ang=en&id=23510By the way, subinacl can perform security operation on evrething: files, directories (or both), services, registry, shares, printers, processes...I guess it's more convenient to use S-1-5-32-544 (Administrators) than S-1-1-0 (Everyone). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
anass_f Posted November 13, 2011 Author Share Posted November 13, 2011 using "ProcExp" I see W7T calling cmd.exe frequently each second with no command line parameters. this remark is independent of the issue stated in this topic.Is there an explanation for that? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
myselfidem Posted November 13, 2011 Share Posted November 13, 2011 (edited) This can be done also using SetACL.exe (x86 or x64):http://helgeklein.co...ion-setacl-exe/Extract: System RequirementsSetACL works on all Windows NT based operating systems from Windows 2000 onwards. The newer, the better. This includes: Windows 2000 Professional and Server, Windows XP, Windows Server 2003 (R2), Windows Vista, Windows Server 2008, Windows 7 and Windows Server 2008 R2.Extract:Is the trustee name a SID? y Yes n NoSpecifying trustees as SIDs instead of using their names can be very useful in multi-language environments, because SIDs are language-independent, whereas predefined names are not. An example: the group ‘administrators’ is called ‘administratoren’ in german Windows versions. If you want your SetACL script to run on servers installed in either language you can use the well-known SID of the group ‘administrators’. Well-known SIDs are identical on every system.However some files and folders are Windows 7 version specific and can't be removed if they aren't writed with the correct name:examples: en-US; fr-FR; de-DE;etc.!Regards Edited November 13, 2011 by myselfidem Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Legolash2o Posted November 13, 2011 Share Posted November 13, 2011 Hmm, this is tougher than i thought, i keep getting a "Attempted to perform an unauthorized operation file" error Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
anass_f Posted November 13, 2011 Author Share Posted November 13, 2011 Wow, that was suprisingly easy, W7T will no longer use takeown or icacls, anyone fancy testing the new method? It says cannot find the specified file! see the attachment.The paths stated in the error are corrects. But, it's true, I couldn't find "Packages.exe" in the "W7T.exe" folder as I used to in the other versions of W7T. Maybe you forgot to include it.After closing the error W7T claims is deleting files from Backup (2142 files) but in reality it doesn't! Then it hangs while deleting the last file (the file 2142/2142).Moreover, I tried to manually delete a file from WinSxS folder while the image is mounted and it says "...access denied... " or something like that, this is obvious since my user account still doesn't have the right to do so. I guess the problem will persist even if the "Packages.exe" issue is resolved.I still see W7T constantly calling cmd.exe with no arguments! why is that for?!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
myselfidem Posted November 13, 2011 Share Posted November 13, 2011 (edited) For the moment, don't worry about Windows 7 localized version, but i think you can tell that "removal components" is only available for English version...And you are working for a workaround for local version?It's better to improve your awesome software for English version!Regards Edited November 13, 2011 by myselfidem Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
anass_f Posted November 13, 2011 Author Share Posted November 13, 2011 Hmm, this is tougher than i thought, i keep getting a "Attempted to perform an unauthorized operation file" error Just include subinacl.exe (or setACL.exe) in W7T.exe the same way you do with "Packages.exe" and run the following commands instead of "takeown" and "Icalcs"I did not tried yet the test version you PM to me. But I have a suggestion for an alternative for both "takeown" and "lcacls": subinacl.exe.Here is the syntax for taking ownership (S-1-5-32-544 = Administrators (En) = Administrateurs (Fr) = ...):subinacl /subdirectories . /setowner=S-1-5-32-544and here is the syntax for granting full rights to the Administrators group:subinacl /subdirectories . /grant=S-1-5-32-544=fHere is the official link from Microsoft to download "subinacl":http://www.microsoft...ang=en&id=23510By the way, subinacl can perform security operation on evrething: files, directories (or both), services, registry, shares, printers, processes...I guess it's more convenient to use S-1-5-32-544 (Administrators) than S-1-1-0 (Everyone).Here is the complete reference for SIDs:http://support.microsoft.com/kb/243330 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Legolash2o Posted November 13, 2011 Share Posted November 13, 2011 I didn't write packages.exe i only made a few adjustments to suit my needs... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
anass_f Posted November 13, 2011 Author Share Posted November 13, 2011 For the moment, don't worry about Windows 7 localized version, but i think you can tell that "removal components" is only available for English version...And you are working for a workaround for local version?It's better to improve your awesome software for English version!RegardsWhy do you say that?Nothing depends on the language of Windows 7. Except for Administrators/Administrateurs/Administratoren where you can use SIDs instead and stay in peace. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
myselfidem Posted November 13, 2011 Share Posted November 13, 2011 (edited) I'm in peace! How it's possible to takewonership and remove a file or a folder NOT SPECIFIED (example:fr-FR)??http://www.wincert.n...dpost__p__79112 Edited November 13, 2011 by myselfidem Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
anass_f Posted November 13, 2011 Author Share Posted November 13, 2011 (edited) I'm in peace! How it's possible to takewonership and remove a file or a folder NOT SPECIFIED (example:fr-FR)??http://www.wincert.n...dpost__p__79112Primo, this has nothing to do with the our topic here.Secundo, when removing a package you only have to know its name (short name not its folder name in WinSxS folder) or its GUID and DISM take care of the rest. I can't find an example or a situation where you have to delete a language specific folder.Sorry for my English! :welcome6ld:EDIT: Orthographic corrections! Edited November 13, 2011 by anass_f Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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