October 13, 20186 yr Author @Thiersee Confirmed ! Previous post edited. I just need to recheck for x86 and I'll upload updated ULs. EDIT : Done ! Edited October 13, 20186 yr by rhahgleuhargh
October 13, 20186 yr 4 hours ago, rhahgleuhargh said: @Thiersee Confirmed ! Previous post edited. I just need to recheck for x86 and I'll upload updated ULs. EDIT : Done ! Very much appreciated for your time and effort. Just want to confirm if kb3004375 is still NOT needed when making a win 7 home premium _64 (I think its needed for pro).. regards
October 13, 20186 yr Author On 10/13/2018 at 4:21 PM, pennsylvaniaron said: Just want to confirm if kb3004375 is still NOT needed when making a win 7 home premium _64 (I think its needed for pro).. regards Yes, it is only for pro ! Edited October 15, 20186 yr by rhahgleuhargh
October 15, 20186 yr On 10/12/2018 at 10:54 AM, Thiersee said: Wrong Info from MS, as usual... Or you mean, it happens because the component KB2952664 is now built-in in the monthly rollup and the request comes after the rollup has been installed? It was correct at that time WU check for appraiser telemetry components, not updates number and if present, it offer KB3150513 KB2952664 components are fully included in Monthly Rollup KB3150513 is old and superseded, and Microsoft should expire it
October 15, 20186 yr On 10/13/2018 at 10:28 AM, rhahgleuhargh said: Yes, it is only for pro ! rhahgleuhargh, thanks for the edit. Before the edit it was unclear. thx for straightening that out. thx also to thiersee (messaging) my win 7_64 HP iso results: WU asks for 4041083, 4049016, 3185319 4099950 (this update was in silent list at top and i watched it get installed on VM so dont know why it was asked for. regards
October 15, 20186 yr 1 hour ago, pennsylvaniaron said: 4041083, 4049016, 3185319 4099950 As I already said before: KB3185319 is an old update for IE11, I get it requested ONLY on HPx86 KB4099950, may be you use an older version (before 17.4.2018); re-download it and retry KB4041083 & KB4049016 are older superseded NET-FW (ALL versions) related, they CAN be 4.7.2-related, but they can be 3.5.1-related too; which size have the requests in WU? Edited October 15, 20186 yr by Thiersee
October 15, 20186 yr 2 hours ago, Thiersee said: As I already said before: KB3185319 is an old update for IE11, I get it requested ONLY on HPx86 KB4099950, may be you use an older version (before 17.4.2018); re-download it and retry KB4041083 & KB4049016 are older superseded NET-FW (ALL versions) related, they CAN be 4.7.2-related, but they can be 3.5.1-related too; which size have the requests in WU? Thiersee my error on 4099950. starting my VM I looked in WU recent update list after I installed the updates and 4099950 was obviously there from the iso integration. So I did the entire install on VM over just now just to confirm and I have 3 updates (also mrt and defender total 5). Using convenience method. 4041083 (18.9mb) 4049016 (18.9mb) 3185319 (52.1mb) Why am I getting this on a _64 install? (I am using NFW 4.72.3190.1.) (kb4099950 in silent as #1.) when loading updates in WTK (3177467 comes up with 2603229 and 3046269.) I do not check them. they go under known issues in WTK. after that they get installed as the last 3 entries in the update list. A subsequent WU check comes up with NO new updates. Deep clean uninstalls 2534111, 2685811, 2685813 regards...
October 15, 20186 yr 33 minutes ago, pennsylvaniaron said: .... 4041083 (18.9mb) 4049016 (18.9mb) ..... Hi Ron, check your ULs and your DL-Folder; for both update some components for FW 3.5.1 are missing/not detected
October 15, 20186 yr 11 minutes ago, Thiersee said: Hi Ron, check your ULs and your DL-Folder; for both update some components for FW 3.5.1 are missing/not detected 4041083 and 4049016 are not in the UL's, therefore not in my DL folder. Nowhere do I see them. regards...
October 15, 20186 yr 9 minutes ago, pennsylvaniaron said: 4041083 and 4049016 are not in the UL's, therefore not in my DL folder. Nowhere do I see them. regards... Of course they are not in the UL! I meant to check if your DL-Folder correspond to the actual ULs 😉.....
October 15, 20186 yr I just tried making the _64 iso using the CLASSIC method which I have never done. I got the same exact results. same 3 updates. I thought there possibly might be a difference. The only difference I saw was it took WTK approx 30 minutes longer! So why do we have 2 different methods to get same result when 1 method is much quicker? regards..
November 13, 20186 yr Author Hello, Voici le changelog du mois : Security Monthly Quality Rollup : KB4467107 remplace KB4462923, KB2892074 et KB3078601 (classic) DNF3.5.1 : KB4459934 remplace KB4457008 (KB4457044 est toujours nécessaire) Tests en cours terminés. Edited November 14, 20186 yr by rhahgleuhargh
November 15, 20186 yr On 11/13/2018 at 4:47 PM, rhahgleuhargh said: DNF3.5.1 : KB4459934 remplace KB4457008 (KB4457044 est toujours nécessaire) Tests en cours terminés. I haven't tested without KB4457008, but installed new on live system and deepclean states "skipping KB4457008..." Can anyone confirm 4457008 no longer needed? (7 PRO x64, Convenience method) 2018-11-15 14:27:47, Info CBS Skipping: Package_for_KB4457008~31bf3856ad364e35~amd64~~6.1.1.1 due to applicability 2018-11-15 14:27:47, Info CBS Skipping: Package_for_KB4457044~31bf3856ad364e35~amd64~~6.1.1.0 due to applicability 2018-11-15 14:27:47, Info CBS Skipping: Package_for_KB4459934~31bf3856ad364e35~amd64~~6.1.1.1 due to applicability 2018-11-15 14:27:58, Info CBS Adding: Package_for_RollupFix~31bf3856ad364e35~amd64~~7601.24263.1.4 2018-11-15 14:28:09, Info CBS Skipping: Package_for_RollupFix~31bf3856ad364e35~amd64~~7601.24289.1.11 due to applicability 2018-11-15 14:28:09, Info CBS DC: Ensuring the online components hive is loaded to perform package analysis... 2018-11-15 14:28:09, Info CBS DC: Package_for_RollupFix~31bf3856ad364e35~amd64~~7601.24263.1.4: unique components: 1065 Size: 281.45 MB (295,123,942 bytes) 2018-11-15 14:28:09, Info CBS Total size of superseded packages: 281.45 MB (295,123,942 bytes) 2018-11-15 14:28:28, Info CBS Package_for_RollupFix~31bf3856ad364e35~amd64~~7601.24263.1.4 superseded - uninstalled 2018-11-15 14:28:59, Info CBS DC: Scavenging files using CBS API...
November 15, 20186 yr Author @Pink_Freud During my tests in VM I didn't integrate both KB4457008 and KB4457044 with latest KB4459934. Result : a 22 MB cumulative update for DNF is asked by WU, the same as reported by thiersee last month with previous UL. Reinstalling KB4457044 solves the problem. When integrating with KB4457044 : nothing is asked. So you can skip KB4457008. I don't understand why KB4457044 is still needed since files should be replaced by new cumulative update (I get by, there are too much files to compare), but it's not the first time this problem occurs with WU. Maybe abbodi1406 has the answer. Edited November 15, 20186 yr by rhahgleuhargh
November 15, 20186 yr Rhahgleuhargh many thanks once again! Was anyone else getting defender kb915597 failing on initial manual WUD? its definition 1.281.19.0.? keeps failing...server issue? error is 8050800c. regards... Edited November 16, 20186 yr by pennsylvaniaron
November 16, 20186 yr gentlemen, while I do not think this is big issue, its confusing. The november iso disk I created went perfectly. However WUD will not install defender updates. I check my own computer and the latest defender update was successful. I then re-installed the nov. iso on the VM a second time and now the latest defender update 1.281.239.0 will not update. The initial 4 out of 5 updates including MRT were installed with no problems. I can't see how our project here can be doing this, just asking if anyone else has this "bug"?😮 regards...
November 16, 20186 yr Hi Ron, I don't think WUD/WTK have the capability to integrate updates for the defender.
November 17, 20186 yr thiersee I understand that. But if no one else is getting an error on the simple WUD install of the monthly windows defender definitions then it has to be in my installation. I used last months (october) iso on my VM and that also got failed to update defender definitions. I did remove the IE11 meet the browser tweak because it doesn't seem to be needed anymore. other than that its a typical new iso creation. I am using the lastest NFW 4.7.2.3221.1, FP, reader, ccleaner and telemetry. Guess I'll keep experimenting. regards...
November 17, 20186 yr Author @pennsylvaniaron I disable Windows Defender in my VMs, since they are reformatted every month. In my round of test, no update was asked by WU, but I'll make a try in a few days to see if Windows Defender definition update is asked. If you suspect a bug due to your tweaks, just make a test without them and recheck. I don't think that integration causes WU bugs. If you want to integrate Defender updates I think it's possible to do it in RunOnce via WTKinstaller or setupcomplete.cmd.
November 17, 20186 yr 2 hours ago, rhahgleuhargh said: @pennsylvaniaron I disable Windows Defender in my VMs, since they are reformatted every month. In my round of test, no update was asked by WU, but I'll make a try in a few days to see if Windows Defender definition update is asked. If you suspect a bug due to your tweaks, just make a test without them and recheck. I don't think that integration causes WU bugs. If you want to integrate Defender updates I think it's possible to do it in RunOnce via WTKinstaller or setupcomplete.cmd. rhahgleuhargh thanks for the feedback. As you know I have been a member of this blog for a long time and have been making the iso for over 2 years. every month when my vm is completed and i go to do WUD there have always been naturally a few different updates each month but ALWAYS MRT and defender definition (kb). All of a sudden this month the defender kb update fails. This has never happened before. I realize that there are a few different methods and many variations for creating the iso, classic, convenience and thiersee uses his own method. I thought it was a $M server issue but all my home computers are getting the defender updates, no problem. While minor it seems to be a bug (all of a sudden) in my install. My concern is that I believe if an update keeps failing and you dont hide it I think it prevents new updates from being recognized. Lastly how do you DISABLE windows defender in your VM? regards
November 17, 20186 yr Author I just uncheck or hide them after WU analyze. Edited November 17, 20186 yr by rhahgleuhargh
November 17, 20186 yr 5 hours ago, rhahgleuhargh said: I just uncheck or hide them after WU analyze. I have experimented for a few hours as this is very time consuming. From what I discovered through my testing and googling the issue I would think the issue is with getting defender updates through the WUD service. There is a M$ website (security portal) where you can DL the latest definitions as per your OS. When executing that file it works silently, no progress bar etc. starting defender shows that it has the latest update (that site updates daily) and a subsequent WUD check for updates no longer lists defender as an important update. I'm very surprised no one else has come across this issue. Seems like a WU issue, not our installation(s). regards...
November 17, 20186 yr @rhahgleuhargh Hi, can you remember that old IE11-Update KB3185319 asked every time by WU on MY x86 VM? I discovered yesterday (because of another issue) that it happens ONLY if I install on a 32bit processor (a 32bit VM is a 32bit processor); if I install exactly the same x86-ISO on a 64bit VM it will NOT be requested by WU. Three time I tried a new installation on a new formatted VM and every time I got the request, if the guest processor (the VM) was 32bit. Mystery of MS..... Have a nice sunday
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